# Understanding epsilon-delta proofs

First, get and read this. Really good.

## before you even START with epsilon-delta . . .

| x – 3 | < 1;

SAYS in English “x is within 1 unit of 3.”

You have to be fluent with that idea before starting ε-delta; proofs.

Let’s look at a picture of this inequality on the real number line:

So for example, if x = 2.8:

| 2.8 - 3 | < 1 | -0.2 | < 1 0.2 < 1 === TRUE

Now let’s try for x = 3.5.

| 3.5 - 3 | < 1 | 0.5 | < 1 0.5 < 1 === TRUE

So, | x – 3 | < 1 MEANS *x must be within 1 unit of 3 on the real number line*.

To be able to understand epsilon-delta at all, you have to get into the habit of looking at an inequality like

| x – 10 | < 5

And immediately just say in a snap “That inequality says that x is within 5 units of 10″

Or

| x – 0.4 | < 0.00001

And say “That inequality says that x is within 0.00001 units of 0.4.”

In general, for any inequality with the format:

| x – c | < a

That says in plain english that “x is within a units of c.”

Epsilon-delta proofs are *actually* easy.

## The **meat** of epsilon-delta proofs

The meat of epsilon-delta proofs is just this idea.

if

0 < | x – c | < δthen

| f(x) – L | < ε

## Epsilon-delta says:

AS WE RESTRICT x to being within δ units of c, then, as a result of that restriction, f(x) becomes restricted to being within ε units of L.

If the above statement is true, then and only then can we say

lim f(x) = L x->c

So, here’s the “definition of a limit”, but with more explanation in English words:

The limit:

lim f(x) = L

x->c

existsif and only ifwhen we restrict x to be within δ units of c,

0 < | x – c | < δ

then, as a consequence of that restriction, we in effect are restricting f(x) to be within ε units of L.

| f(x) – L | < ε

If that happens, then we know that the limit of f(x) as x -> c

equal to L.is

## Ok, but how do you do an epsilon-delta proof?

So here’s an example of how this stuff works.

Use epsilon-delta to "show" that lim 3x - 3 = 12 x->5

I know what you’re thinking. “Can’t we just do this:”

lim 3x - 3 x->5 = 15 - 3 = 12

but nooooooo! That’s not good enough for epsilon-stupid. You must “show” it.

Use epsilon-delta to "show" that lim 3x - 3 = 12 x->5

So, what we use the “definition of a limit” as stated at the top of this page (you should memorize it really for use on tests (YES they DO ALWAYS put epsilon-delta on tests . . )

The limit above exists if and only if for each ε > 0, there exists a δ > 0 such that:

IF0 < | x - c | < δ [ c = 5 though, plug in: ] 0 < | x - 5 | < δTHEN| f(x) - L | < ε [ f(x)= 3x - 3, and L = 12, plug in: ] | ( 3x - 3 ) - 12 | < ε

So read that in English as:

“IF x is within δ units of 5 . . . “

“. . . THEN ( 3x – 3 ) is within ε units of 12.”

The key to epsilon-delta proofs is you have to **relate epsilon and delta**.

You have to argue that IF 0 < | x – 5 | < δ ( x is within δ units of 5 ), THEN we can conclude that | ( 3x – 3 ) – 12 | < ε (THEN ( 3x – 3 ) is within ε units of 12 ).

HMM! Hopefully, this is starting to make some sense. Here is how you proceed.

Let’s work with the THEN part (the | f(x) – L | statement), and break it down a bit:

| ( 3x - 3 ) - 12 | < ε | 3x - 15 | < εLet’s FACTOR (because we love to factor)

| (3)(x - 5) | < ε 3| (x - 5) | < ε | (x - 5) | < ε/3;

That looks familiar! Suddenly, the | f(x) – L | < ε looks a lot like the | x – c | < δ statement.

HMM!!!

We can ** relate** the epsilon statement and the delta statement ( 0 < | x – c | < δ ) in this way:

CHOOSE δ = ε/3. (Get used to the idea of “CHOOSING” δ)

Then, we go:

| x - 5 | < ε/3 [ CHOOSE δ = ε/3 ] | x - 5 | < δ

WOW!!!!! How marvellous. It will seem very very strange to you that in the middle of this “mathematical rigor”, we end up going and “choosing” δ = ε/3. You’ll see that this “choice” doesn’t really hurt the “rigor” of what we’re doing though. . . just keep at it.

Next we have to show that this “δ” we’ve chosen ( δ = ε/3 ) “WORKS”.

So we go back to the original statement:

IF0 < | x - c | < δ [ c = 5, chose δ = ε/3 ] 0 < | x - 5 | < ε/3;THEN| f(x) - L | < ε [ f(x)= 3x - 3, and L = 12, plug in: ] | ( 3x - 3 ) - 12 | < ε | 3x - 15 | < ε 3| x - 5 | < ε | x - 5 | < ε/3

Wonder of wonders! It “WORKS”, because the statement has now changed from:

“IF x is within δ units of 5 . . . THEN ( 3x – 3 ) is within ε units of 12.”

To:

“IF x is within ε/3 units of 5, THEN x is within ε/3 units of 5.”

Which cannot be argued against.

Remember, its not stupid. Its “rigorous”.

## 127 Comments

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WOW. i’ve been trying to figure this out all day. and now I suddenly understand within 5 mins. You’re a life saver. :)

THANK YOU SO MUCH! i swear calc professors are useless. and the whole epsilon-delta thing is somewhat useless, its so repetitive. anyways, u mind explaining the way to prove the limits of crazy polynomials? by using those given limit laws , they are so confusing!

and when the number infront of |x-c| doesnt work out to be the same as it shows up with delta, we were told to let it be smaller than a constant and find the constant. that is confusing too. do u know what im saying? lol cus im confused about what ive just mentioned too . . .

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Dont delta-epsilon proofs require you to show that as delta decreases, so does epsilon? If epsilon increases while delta decreases, the limit doesnt exist… right?

Im still struggling with this concept.

See, every demonstration I have seen, the tutor picks and chooses a nice, simple linear function ahead of time. What if you used f(x) = x^2. Or f(x) = sin(x). Or f(x) = x/x as x -> 0. Your example work isnt so apparent or intuitive any more.

How do you use d-e to prove sin(x)/x, as x->0 equals 1?

See… you have to already know your L beforehand. You use d-e to DEMONSTRATE L is the correctly presumed limit, not to prove L is the limit. Right?

Because you have to know L first in order to use this. In fact, you have to know what x approaches first in order to assert what the limit approaches… you have to know your x->a and your f(x)->L.

But what if you pick the wrong L? What if L isnt your limit? How does d-e fail?

I think the point of e-d proofs (key word being proof) is to prove the L, after you already know it.

Sweet explanation though, helped a lot.

Aloha CogitoErgoCogitoSum,

I agree with you that these epsilon-delta proofs are not proofs at all the way they are usually done. They have always disturbed me because the logic is circular and very unsatisfying. That last step of “showing that the delta works” is really only checking that you did the correct algebraic manipulations the first time around (or are consistent in making the same mistake). It’s like verifying your solution to an algebraic equation. You are also correct that nearly every time someone does one of these “proofs,” they pick some very simple linear function, but more important, they never show what the “failure mode” is for trying to prove the wrong limit. In fact, there is no “failure” (at least none corresponding to anything stated in the e-d definition) if you follow the steps above using the wrong limit. Try L = 13 instead of 12, for example. With proper algebraic manipulation, you get delta = (1-epsilon)/3. The only problem I see with this delta is that when epsilon goes to zero (as you would want), delta goes to 1/3 (which is absurd), but NOTHING in the e-d definition says this is a problem. Do we have Cauchy to thank for that, or have the calculus textbooks been remiss in not stating this requirement? I think you stated it correctly when you said that there is ANOTHER condition that must be met: as epsilon decreases to zero, delta HAS TO ALSO DECREASE TO ZERO. That’s where the failure occurs, and that is what would make these proofs more sound.

Your example of sin(x)/x is classic. In fact, most limits involving trigonometric functions are proven not with epsilon-delta, but by the Squeeze Theorem.

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Thanks, but please take time now to explain the delta neighborhood in 3D space and its relation to epsilon. Also, after selecting a neat working example, please choose one like

lim x/sqrt(x+y)

f(x,y)-> (1,1)

and show d-e proof. Need help. (did that problem come out aligned correctly? prob not)

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Hi guys. I have written an extensive explanation about the epsilon-delta definition here:

http://math4allages.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/epsilon-delta-definition-of-limits/

you may want to check it out. I would like to here from your reaction.

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However.

Seems to me though that unless you establish a relationship between epsilon and delta, then delta could be anything.

If this is the case then it wouldn’t prove much. Once they are related it means the closer a pt X is to a value c on the x axis, has implications for how near F(X) is to F(c). right?

Although what you have done is the easiest explanation so far that I have found, this area of math is another example of forcing students to learn by rote, and follow by example, something most will never truly understand.

I am still grappling with it myself. Maybe if there was some graphical illustration that would help.

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The meat of epsilon-delta proofs image does not show up on my mobile phone screen, all other images are fine.

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Hi, I am unable to read on an iPhone the first and 2nd bubbles:

“before you even START with epsilon-delta . . .”

“The meat of epsilon-delta proofs is just this idea.”

The font colour in these two is very similar to the background colour. All others are fine.

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Thank you for this clear explanation of the epsilon-delta proofs. It certainly helps a lot of students struggling with this matter. However, the proofs are not completely correct. You do the proof in reverse.

You have to find a delta > 0 for every epsilon > 0, where epsilon can be made as small as possible. You have to proof that, for every epsilon-neighbourhood around L, you can find a delta-neighbourhood (one is already OK :-)) around c, not including c, so that abs(f(x)-L) < epsilon. You have to start with abs(x-c) < delta and manipulate it until you arrive at abs(f(x)-L) 3.

My trick is to start to choose a maximal value for delta, say 1. Nobody has objections against it :-) If delta_max=1, then abs(x+3)<7.

We know that abs(x-3) < delta (see definition delta)

Then,

abs(x-3)*abs(x+3) < 7 delta

abs((x-3)(x+3)) < 7 delta

abs(f(x)-L) < 7 delta = epsilon.

Choose delta = 1 or epsilon/7, but choose the smallest one.

In the proofs you give, if you choose a wrong value for the limit L, it can happen that there is nothing in your proof that says you that you're on the wrong track. In that case, you are proving sth that is untrue. However, in the proof above, it is impossible to complete the proof when you calculate the value of L incorrectly!

One of the previous comments said that delta has to go to 0 if epsilon goes to zero. However, that is NOT true, and that's why this requirement does not stand in any calculus textbook.

I hope this can be helpful. Kind regards. Steven.

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how can we prove that

lim 3x – 3 is not equal to 13 via epsilon-delta? could you explain?

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This is an excellent page, and I thank you for preparing it. However, why is there all the hostility toward this method of proof? The very last detail, the crucial bit which makes this a proof instead of a calculation problem, is that it demonstrates that there is a possible delta for every given epsilon (where epsilon > 0 and delta > 0). That is necessary for the limit to exist at all.

This type of example is chosen in calculus textbooks because the limit is easy for the student to see. Plugging in it is immediately clear that it is true, so you know you’re not wasting your time trying to decide if it IS true before proceeding. However, recall that in the definition of the limit that f(a) may not actually exist, yet the limit itself may. Plugging in will not demonstrate this at all and it will still be unclear whether there is a limit at all. The epsilon-delta proof provides the means to evaluate such a limit and be confident that it is true.

Yes, the example goes the long way about showing something that was immediately clear, but that’s what makes it an example, not stupid.

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what about using this proof on rational functions? does the method still apply and would you use it in the same way or is there some other way to do it?

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So δ is a measurement of the domain of a function where ε is a measurement of its corresponding range?

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There’s nothing wrong with this proof. The (incorrect) situation where L=13 yields d=(1-e)/3, as stated above. However, the condition that prevents this from being correct is given in the lesson. “The limit above exists if and only if for each ε > 0, there exists a δ > 0…”, this is not satisfied, as for any e>1, d<0.

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Putting it in plain English (the “|x-a| x is within delta units of a” bit) not only helped me understand more concisely the concept of delta-epsilon proofs and how to show them, it also helped me remember that it’s |x-a|delta because I’ve always had trouble remembering whether it is greater than or less than! You’re the best! Thank you so much! I have my calculus midterm for first year electrical engineering tomorrow and I thought I was screwed for this part of the exam but now I feel more confident in this! You’re awesome!!! :D

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there are two meanings of “understanding” epsilon-delta.

1.to comprehend the meaning of epsilon-delta.

2.to know why epsilon-delta is formulated at the first place.(Why it is needed to be precise).

Students are more interested in taking 1 rather than 2 which is important to appreciate why mathematics is needed to be rigorous.1 are for those who want to pass the exam while 2 are for those who posses the hunger for knowledge.

Too bad students are more practical than of a curious type which is suppose to be.

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